Should the Government Force Universal Healthcare on the American People?

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Should the Government Force Universal Healthcare on the American People?
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EMIYA	Jan 28 2017, 07:41 PM Post #31
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	I really can't say much that other people haven't. It's free, freaking healthcare. Yes, we should have it and we definitely want it. We want to know that our lives and health are going to be treated fairly and we don't have to worry about getting an illness or getting some kind of disease and then knowing because of perhaps poor economic standing, that we can't get benefits and then die. And if there's going to be a, let's say, slight increase in tax...fine. We, be it the poor and...well the rich shouldn't really care...will gladly accept that in exchange for good and reliable health. This really shouldn't be a question should we or should we not have "Universal Healthcare." We should, we should have it, we should have a big sign over the White House saying... "Free freaking Healthcare you idiots! You really don't want that? Would you rather have cancer instead!?" And that's a good way to put it. Free Healthcare+5% Tax increase or Lung Cancer+0% Tax increase. And nobody wants lung cancer. The question here should really be, will it work? We know it's a good idea, it sounds good on paper, we know it works in other developed countries, it makes sense. You hear something like "Universal Healthcare" and the immediate thought should be. Damn, that is amazing, the only thing more amazing than that is if cancer literally was eradicated. The way I see, this is going to be a very beneficial thing to the overall United States. We constantly hear the stories too, of those who struggled and yet were able to get the cures they needed despite their economic standings. If let's say, someone is negatively effected by this, that's just the risk you have to take. If 1 out 1,000 people are negatively effected by Universal Healthcare, sorry, that sucks. But to me, the answer to this isn't to get rid of Universal Healthcare, it is to amend it and improve something which overall, was working. It really should be implemented and if it really doesn't work...fine. We tried, we failed, we see that our current system just can't work with it. It's just like Prohibition. We tried it, it sounded good on paper but obviously the end result was something less than desirable. We can do the same thing here, implement it, see how it works and if does...hooray! If it doesn't, we see why.



Political Piper	Jan 28 2017, 09:53 PM Post #32
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Daemon Keido	Jan 28 2017, 10:18 PM Post #33
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	There should be compromise when it comes to the healthcare of an entire nation.
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Political Piper	Jan 28 2017, 10:27 PM Post #34
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Daemon Keido Jan 28 2017, 10:18 PM There should be compromise when it comes to the healthcare of an entire nation. This. But i'll take it a step further, for the US anyways. Why not let the states decide by the elected officials in the state legislature? Any state that wants to provide universal health care can, all other states have the option of doing so, or they can open up their borders and be part of the collective. I'm sure there would need to be some kinks to work out, but I think it's plausible.
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Daemon Keido	Jan 28 2017, 10:38 PM Post #35
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	Why should it be left up to individual states when the state populations will invariably vote in favour of universal healthcare? Why bother at that point? Just to allow the conservative virtue of small government the victory? Sometimes, a larger governmenf is NOT a bad thing.
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Political Piper	Jan 28 2017, 10:57 PM Post #36
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Daemon Keido Jan 28 2017, 10:38 PM Why should it be left up to individual states when the state populations will invariably vote in favour of universal healthcare? Why bother at that point? Just to allow the conservative virtue of small government the victory? Sometimes, a larger governmenf is NOT a bad thing. I think you are misguided about what the population wants with respect to healthcare, Approval of Healthcare Polls Since the government is made up of the people, by the people, and for the people, and the founders emphasized the importance of dual-federalism, it would only make sense to let the people of their respected state vote for the healthcare they want through their elected officials. The Federal Government was supposed to do 3 main things: Provide security to all the people, act as a mediator between states in the case of state-on-state aggression or conflicts, and control and print a common currency. Over the years the power of the states slowly diminished and dual federalism became more of an ideology instead of a common practice. Leave it up to the people in their respected states to decide.
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Daemon Keido	Jan 28 2017, 11:00 PM Post #37
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	That is a poll on Obamacare specifically, not universal healthcare in general. Make a full system that grsnts full healthcare coincides with American values and see how much opposition there would be.
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Political Piper	Jan 28 2017, 11:12 PM Post #38
Posts: 449 Group: Member Member #13,465 Joined: August 23, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Chrome	Daemon Keido Jan 28 2017, 11:00 PM That is a poll on Obamacare specifically, not universal healthcare in general. Make a full system that grsnts full healthcare coincides with American values and see how much opposition there would be. Well that is not the case in the US, and the current program closest to Universal health care is Obamacare which is has more disapproval than approval. It's easy to make assumptions on what you believe the people would approve or disprove of based on what you think is right, but unfortunately, there isn't an elaborate health care system created to determine what Americans will approve of. So until then, it would make more sense to adhere to the fundamental principles of America's foundation and follow the concept of dual federalism. Let the people decide.
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Daemon Keido	Jan 28 2017, 11:17 PM Post #39
Warmaster of Chaos Posts: 3,915 Group: RP Moderator Member #6,491 Joined: July 16, 2011 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, of course Favourite Manga Currently Toriko	Nobody will say no to universal healthcare so long as it is reasonably funded. I will not debate that point because to say otherwise is a wasted arguement that requires one to deny reality.
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EMIYA	Jan 28 2017, 11:54 PM Post #40
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Your link to the poll for Universal Healthcare is misguided also. A recent Gallup poll noted that 58% of American Citzens supported Universal Healthcare. What was actually split was Affordable Care Act, with half saying they wanted it and another half say they wanted it to be repealed. The ACA of course was already on that step into the direction of Universal Healthcare. It makes far more sense to take that system and amend/improve it than to, like Trump and others want, to completely repeal it. You have something that has potential and has shown to work, with a nearly 50% approval. It's like going on a road trip, you are half way there and then your car breaks down. You are supposedly heading to the beach, but now with your car broken down, you can't get there. But hey, there's this nice casino a few miles up. It's not the best but its better than nothing. You can't make up for everything you've lost but you can make it worthwhile in some way. You couldn't get 100% of the way but at least you made it 70% and made it worth it. Or, much in the way of repealing the ACA, you can take all the effort you put in, get a tow truck, drive all the way back home and then create an entirely new plan that hopefully won't screw you over.



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